Less than three months until the Non-pocalypse

Howdy! Stone Maya Face Man, here, to say that this post has my stamp of approval. What you read here is “rock” solid–and I know “rock” solid when I see it…

As my family and I settle in for the night here in our hotel in Texas before preceding tomorrow morning toward Oklahoma, I note that today being the 24th of September (probably the 25th before this is posted) we are now–officially–less than three months before the 2012 Non-pocalypse. Oh, the non-horror! 🙂

Actually, I am delighted that 2012 is passing, as the non-Mayan, virtually-all-Gringo, 100% Non-pocalypse associated with it is a tiring and over-sold topic that, in the end, will do nothing but ruin many people on real prophecy. Like so many fake, new-age doomsdays/golden-dawn-dates before it, it will come and go, and scoffers will increase (cf. 2 Peter 3:3). Will some proclaim the beginning of a “new age of peace”–yes, probably the same hippies and druggies that always say something like that when their special day comes and goes. How many planetary alignments have come and gone in which the spaced-out leader of the meditative classes has declared that–although you couldn’t see it–massive changes have happened on the astral plane, and, indeed, the dawn of a new age has come? Too many, I am sure. But will those who do so with regard to 2012 be any more impactful than those who’ve done so before? Not likely at all.

The idea that some have been truly troubled by what they have heard connected with 2012 and have spent life savings, considered suicide, etc., is sad, and the countless books lining the shelves of Barnes & Noble, Borders (except they went bankrupt, right?), etc. probably haven’t helped, giving the fake-prophecy a credence it doesn’t deserve. In fact, I suppose some could claim that our DVD has done the same, though anyone actually watching it would hopefully conclude otherwise, as our goal has been to debunk the junk and turn the focus on to true prophecy. We are offering the DVD in, I believe, a couple more telecasts as the date approaches–if requests are low because interest in the topic has waned, that’s actually not the worst of news. If requests are high due to interest in the topic, that’s good news, too, as the DVD provides viewers with the truth about the new age, mostly-profit-driven, baseless 2012 hysteria and connects them with real sources that discuss true, biblical prophecy.

Also, we should have one more article, at least, discussing not only the fact that the Bible makes it clear that neither the end of the world nor a new age of peace will dawn in 2012 but also the fact that scientists and credible researchers are virtually unanimous that the 2012 hysteria has no basis whatsoever in anything at all but new age fantasy. The since-discredited speculations of early Mayanists aside, credentialed and credible modern researchers are clear: there is no basis in Mayan writings whatsoever to conclude that they saw 2012 as a pivotal date for either the end of the world or the beginning of a new age of peace. Really. None.

The Dresden Codex? Nope. Yes, there seems to be a flood pictured on its last page, but, no, there is no reason at all to connect that to 2012. The Venus and Lunar tables in the book do not do this either, and no one who has any idea of what the Dresden Codex is about would make this connection, since the Codex does not single out any Venus or Moon configuration as connected to the image. (Might some New Agers try to make such a connection as the date approaches? I would not be surprised. When there is no evidence, we humans are great at inventing it.)

Image of Landa's Katun Wheel
The katun wheel associated with the Chilam Balam. Scholars point out that the writings of the Chilam Balam are not connected in any meaningful or purposeful way to 2012 and the Long Count Calendar’s (wrongly) supposed “end” or to the much older Dresden Codex’s dramatic “flood” image. That doesn’t prevent Maya hobbyists and 2012-ologists from imagining such connections, however.

The Chilam Balam? Nope. This collection–written after the Spanish conquest and reflecting a good deal of Catholic corruption–does, indeed, contain what the unlearned might think of as “prophecies” of the same style, purpose, or nature as Biblical prophecies. But such a conclusion only shows that one is cherry-picking Mayan writings and not considering the entirety of Mayan culture behind them and the mentality involved in such Mayan writings. Regardless, in terms of understanding what the Maya actually thought, experts warn us to consider that (1) the writings of the Chilam Balam should not be considered as connected with the writings of centuries earlier (such as the previously mentioned Dresden Codex), as they truly are not, (2) we should not read the “prophecy-like” writings in the Chilam Balam like we do the prophecies of the Bible, since the mindset in such writings is completely different and foreign to the biblical mindset or the Western mindset, and (3) the so-called “2012 end date” is not tied to anything at all in the Chilam Balam–absolutely nothing. For a book that is mistreated by Maya hobbyists and 2012-ologists as if it were a “Mesoamerican Revelation,” the much-ballyhooed 2012 date is remarkably absent. (This is probably partially due to the hobbyists lack of research and the 2012-ologists bias. The calendar system that is the focus in the Chilam Balam is not the Long Count, at all, which did not have that sort of “prophetic” significance to the Maya, but rather, their katun cycles. Any attempt to tie the Chilam Balam‘s comments about the “law of the katun” to the end of the current baktun are simply rooted in ignorance of how the different calendars were used by the Maya, or, perhaps, in the sincere hope of making a connection where there is none.

Monument 6 at Tortuguero? Nope. The Comalcalco Brick? Nope. There simply is no evidence. Only those looking for a 2012 “end date” in Mayan culture “find” it, like psychiatric patients who see the same imaginary thing in every ink blot test.

In fact, even the very idea that the end of the current baktun was seen as the end of a major cycle is highly dubious. Many researchers, such as Mark Van Stone of FAMSI, who have pointed out that though may arrive this December (or it may not, as the correlation, itself, is disputed), many Mayan inscriptions discuss times that are, essentially, and and more–thousands of years into our future, demonstrating that it is foolhardy to assume that the Maya thought the calendar would sort of “roll over” like the odometer on a car. And those future dates–again, thousands and even tens of thousands of years and more into the future–they are not discussed as though there will have been dramatic changes. They are, rather, seen as future dates along a continual stream of same-old, same-old. As van Stone has written concerning some particular stela (stone monuments):

“At the very least, this implies that the ancient Maya expected the status quo to continue at least 4000 years into the future. That’s 2760 years after 2012. They expected no interruption.”

Still, whether the motivation is “profit” or “prophet”, don’t expect New Age 2012-ologists to allow the facts to get in the way.

So, what should we expect three months from now? I would expect that for those who want to claim their predictions were right, they will find the evidence they need. For those who will want to claim that the end of the world has begun come December 21, 2012, they will point to something. For those who will want to claim that a new age of peace and prosperity has come, they will point to something (even if it’s only to their “astral experiences” and the information they receive from their “spirit guides”). It will be a grand time of self-declared prophets finding whatever evidence they need to say that their “predictions” were accurate. The world is certainly in a messy state right now, so that prophet wanna-be’s (and, oh, how many there are!) will likely be able to find whatever evidence they need.

If you’re curious about how in the world such a hysteria could be built on, essentially, nothing, consider requesting our free DVD. Please don’t waste another dollar–hard enough to come by in this economy–on one of the many, many, many 2012 “resources” sitting on shelves in the “New Age” section of your local bookstores when you can order a free hour-long DVD that explains the whole matter and that will point you to biblical prophecy, instead. You can order it here from the Living Church of God and Tomorrow’s World. Like everything else we make, it doesn’t cost a dime, and it will make more sense than most of what you would actually be expected to pay for.

As for this blog, I’ve written on 2012 stuff in numerous places. Two of my favorites are a small collection of what actual scientists and real experts say about 2012 and the Maya–“A Potpourri of Scholarly Quotes about 2012”–and a post in which I go into more detail about Tortuguero, the Chilam Balam, and the Dresden Codex–“What the Maya did & didn’t say about 2012.”

However, since the clock is ticking and these posts may never see the light of someone’s LCD laptop screen again after the next three months, maybe it would be good to list most all of what I’ve posted. This should be a fairly thorough list in (what I believe to be) a chronological order, oldest to newest:

13 thoughts on “Less than three months until the Non-pocalypse

  1. John Wheeler (Johanan Rakkav)

    Maybe you could say a little more about the Dresden Codex and its alleged Bible-like prophecies about the end of the world? The match is just a little too close (in fact more than a little) – I’d suspect Catholic corruption there too.

  2. Texasborn

    You quote Mark van Stone as having written: “At the very least, this implies that the ancient Maya expected the status quo to continue at least 4000 years into the future. That’s 2760 years after 2012. They expected no interruption.”

    (A) To what “status quo” is he referring? Coincidentally, 2760AD + 2012AD – 4000=70AD, which is the same year as the destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem!

    (B) Coincidence or no? Your thoughts on this, please.

  3. Texasborn

    Please excuse me while I take out my “idiot brain” and re-insert my “normal brain.” Of what was I thinking to type such a stupid formula? “Mea culpa” a thousand times over, sir!

  4. John Wheeler (Johanan Rakkav)

    Mr. Smith: My mistake, my fallible memory betrays me again. 😛 I am thinking of something alleged on this Web page. It sounds patently like one of the Catholic corruptions of Mayan sources that this very same source alludes to elsewhere. Why then not take the most probable explanation of what the Chilam Balam says below (assuming it actually says this, which is where I’d like your input if any)?

    [EDIT: Web page link redacted. — WGS]

    In the Chilam Balam there is the following:

    But when the law of the katun has run its course, the God will bring about a great deluge again which will be the end of the world. When this is over, then our Lord Jesus Christ will descend over the valley of Jehoshaphat beside the town of Jerusalem where he redeemed us with his holy blood (José Hoíl J, Roys R. The Book of Chilam Balam of Chumayel. Roys Publisher, 1933. Reprint Forgotten Books, 1967, p. 62).

    The above is biblically, a false claim. 2012 is not the end of the world. That Mayan prediction is wrong. The Mayan flood prophecy will be proven false, whether it related to 2012 or not (Genesis 9).

    Whatever else this prediction is with regard to Jesus Christ and His actions, it’s not Mayan. Unless, of course, we’re prepared simply to take it at face value and consider whether Mormonism has a basis after all. (I’m not.)

  5. Well, yes and no. 🙂 The interpretation that the Chilam Balam there is speaking of 2012 is, indeed, completely wrong. The “law of the katun” running its course is not connected with 2012, though many innocently might think so if they haven’t studied the matter carefully enough. There is exactly zero evidence that this statement is a 2012-related statement.

    As for calling the statement a Mayan prophecy, though, there’s arguable justification for that, though doing so in this manner without qualification is a bit academically “iffy” since it (1) doesn’t communicate the whole picture, (2) ignores the obvious influence of Catholic corruption of Maya culture, (3) misunderstands the nature of Maya “prophecy”, and (4) seems to imply a connection to the popular ideas of 2012 as a “Mayan prophecy” when there is (again, again, again) no connection. However, it was, indeed, penned by the Maya, even if it is well after their classical civilization. (Claims that the Maya could not write before the era of the Chilam Balam are just silly, however sincerely made they may be.) It’s akin to calling something a “Hindu prophecy” without explaining that the “prophecy” one is quoting is from some weird, self-proclaimed guru and is not related to the actual Hinduism of real Hindus in any significant way. The Chilam Balam is very unrelated to many of the much earlier products of Maya civilization at its height, such as the Dresden Codex (which also has no real connection to 2012), and attempts to tie them together are generally horribly misguided, as Maya scholars have explained.

    [By the way: My apologies that this comment is appearing so late! It’s amazing how days turn into weeks turn into months. I had another comment purposefully sitting in the queue and forgot that this one was sitting right next to it!]

  6. Texasborn

    I dunno, Steve. I believe I am a tad older than you, and have “stubbed my toe” many more times than you have, over the years! Anyway, enjoy your “eight-day-or-more” vacation coming up soon!

  7. John Wheeler (Johanan Rakkav)

    Guys, GUYS, age is no predictor of toe-stub-ability! 😀 I sometimes have to caution my brethren about the “unholier-than-thou” games we can get into. 😛 On balance I think I’ve stubbed my toes more per annum than most Christians I know. But that’s just my subjective perspective (oo, I love that alliteration!). It is the Lord who justifies me – and everyone else that He knows. My opinion on the subject is worthless. 🙂 As John wrote: “God is greater than our hearts, and He knows everything.” 😀

    Thank you, Mr. Smith, for your late but excellent answer. 😀 And, for your prudence in dealing with the source material and its link.

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